Curse

LordLucifer · Jul 31, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47

#3(hammer war) easy to beat....
#4 no chance for the sin
#5=#6...the degen is what really counts..

im sry but i dont think you know how many builds there are in GW...even if those you mentioned were all corect there are still lots more

and to the builds that are not listed, they have 0% chance to win against the toucher, even if its a 4 years old behind the screen just pressing the buttons, if thats not an overpowered build i have no idea what is

as mentioned in another post you do realise that when you make som1 run around in circles cause your a toucher you "take them out of the fight" so its not like they are really winning right?

D/Mos are really powerful, BUT they require skill, no 4yo can play them and win like they are doing right now, and there are very few builds who wouldnt stand the slightest chance to win, so, powerful? hell yah, overpowered? no way

Evilsod · Jul 31, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Oh forgive me for not writing an essay detailing every single build that has ever existed and its potential to defeating a touch ranger.... moron. If you want to list them all be my guest. No chance for the assassin? AoD, the usual combo, remove AoD and run and wait for it to degen.

When these 4 year olds start playing a touch ranger in RA and kicking your arse, tell me and i'll be there to laugh. When you lose i'll expect your response in all chat to be something similar to the level of a 4 year old too.

And no a D/Mo doesn't require skill. It requires you to run upto enemies, spam enchantments, cast CoP attack a bit, rinse and repeat. I'm sure a 4 year old could master having to maybe 5 buttons instead of 1, 2 and OoB.

I fail to see how people continue going on about how 'kiting' takes them out of the fight. Unless your an ele who for some moronic reason decided to go Fire Ele in RA/TA you won't be standing still long to cast. As detailed elsewhere you should be constantly moving... not waiting for that monk to cast so you can interrupt it, not waiting for something to recharge. MOVING until you need to attack.

Sir Mad · Jul 31, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Can't beat a Hammer warrior once your Whirling Defences wears off. Even while its up the Irresistable knockdown is fustrating.

Touch generally have a 16 secs Throw Dirt and 16 secs = 1040 damage for a touch bot...

Ecklipze · Jul 31, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Wow,the touch ranger debate is still going strong I see....

IMO, they're not such a big deal, and their useage seems to be slowing down, like it's been said loads of times now, learn to avoid and counter, they're not as difficult and powerful as people make them out to be.

LordLucifer · Jul 31, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Oh forgive me for not writing an essay detailing every single build that has ever existed and its potential to defeating a touch ranger.... moron. If you want to list them all be my guest. No chance for the assassin? AoD, the usual combo, remove AoD and run and wait for it to degen.

When these 4 year olds start playing a touch ranger in RA and kicking your arse, tell me and i'll be there to laugh. When you lose i'll expect your response in all chat to be something similar to the level of a 4 year old too.

And no a D/Mo doesn't require skill. It requires you to run upto enemies, spam enchantments, cast CoP attack a bit, rinse and repeat. I'm sure a 4 year old could master having to maybe 5 buttons instead of 1, 2 and OoB.

I fail to see how people continue going on about how 'kiting' takes them out of the fight. Unless your an ele who for some moronic reason decided to go Fire Ele in RA/TA you won't be standing still long to cast. As detailed elsewhere you should be constantly moving... not waiting for that monk to cast so you can interrupt it, not waiting for something to recharge. MOVING until you need to attack.

i lol'd *pets your head*

nah, not really, you didnt post all others because there isnt a thing they can do abt touchers, abt assasssins, read what sir mad just posted

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Touch generally have a 16 secs Throw Dirt and 16 secs = 1040 damage for a touch bot...

no more comments..lol (but lets not forget plague touch and the factor, OTHER ppl in PvP, unless you are saying a whole team should be paying attention only to the touchers to make sure every1 is FAR away from him? lol..)

i fought D/Mos like that, 1: you can win regardless of your build, its hard but at least possible and 2: it does require skills to do that, its not just (1, 2, 1 ,2, 1,2 offering, 1, 2, 1, 2..)

uhh if you can fight just well while running from a toucher i congratulate you, must have 1/4 spell casts and a +50% speed bonus all the time

now ill let you take your pills to calm down again XD

SnipiousMax · Jul 31, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

^ So your entire arguement rests on one uncovered condition with a monstrous recharge?

LordLucifer · Jul 31, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39

nop, thats against non casters (xept cripshot)

as for casters, they gotta run and stop fighting or take high DPS (while keeping toucher alive..)

SnipiousMax · Jul 31, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

^My mistake.

So your entire arguement rests on one uncovered condition applied with a skill with a monstrous recharge time, and the fact that casters have to move in PvP?

LordLucifer · Aug 01, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

yes, that means non casters are useless against them and most casters have no choice but run and be useless in combat by the simple sight of them

put that with a decent DPS and monstruous constant self healing and you got something overpowered for sure

Evilsod · Aug 01, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

I think you need to watch some High-end GvG. If you haven't noticed the casters are ALWAYS moving.

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Touch generally have a 16 secs Throw Dirt and 16 secs = 1040 damage for a touch bot...

For a start with the lag this weekend that damage was at least halved. Also the recharge is 3 seconds. So perfectly its a touch every 1.5seconds... so 10.6 touches in 16 seconds, not including stops for OoB. Which makes just under 700 damage.
Not to mention i said this 'Can beat any idiot who stands in front of it'. Someone taking 700 damage from a toucher IS an idiot standing in front of it. I'm not quite sure what your arguement is. Non-casters are useless against them? Non-casters are useless against ANY anti-non-caster. What are you gonna do? Nerf the crippling anguish mesmer for been able to completely own 1 melee range foe.. A Cripshotter can completely own every single melee range foe out there without the need for selfhealing purely because they can't get close enough to hit.

LordLucifer · Aug 01, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

cripshot can own melee but the majority of other ranged builds/classes can at least fight them
same with crippling anguish mesmers

all in all almost all builds can be beaten by someone else if they commit a simple mistake, the ones that cant by certain builds require lots of timing and skills, while touchers dont, and they still can beat most ppl out there or at least cause some HEAVY preasure on the whole enemy team just because...hes R/N (sometimes preasure alone is worth your presence in..high end PvP)

curtman · Aug 03, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Luxons had their 8 person touch squad playing a couple of times tonight.... Sad part is I had a decent antitouch build.

I must admit, I found it hilarious when the touch noobs were whining about the D during preview. W armor got its nerf, now Anet, stick the touch skills into soul reaping.

Evilsod · Aug 03, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

Yeah because soul reapings all about stealing health from living targets...

Lucifer... why in gods name would someone run a Touch Ranger for pressure over an INTERRUPT ranger or a CHOKING GAS ranger?

evox the evil · Aug 04, 2006, 03:58 AM // 03:58

curtman they steal life i can see how that has to do with the reaping of souls but blood and vampiric kinda go together a little. and here's a thought for beating a touch ranger:wild blow, plauge touch, grenths balance gg or blackout and run

some guy · Aug 24, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

ways of the fox+shroud of silence (e) dead touchy